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I would love to be on a panel but I do not advocate what chuck wrote below.
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <<a href="mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com">Chernicz@herniczlegal.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F3864">I disagree. It should be a panel discussion and Dan should be on the panel because he is the only one I’ve seen trying to defend the practice of notice companies
violating the lien law.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alex Barthet <<a href="mailto:Alex@barthet.com">Alex@barthet.com</a>>; Dan Vega <<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>>; Larry Leiby <<a href="mailto:Leiby@mkpalaw.com">Leiby@mkpalaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Just don’t let Dan be the speaker.
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>>; Dan Vega <<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>>; Larry Leiby <<a href="mailto:Leiby@mkpalaw.com">Leiby@mkpalaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Seems like an interesting topic for the CLI in March. Just a thought.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Weintraub, Lee<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dan Vega <<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>>; Larry Leiby <<a href="mailto:Leiby@mkpalaw.com">Leiby@mkpalaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">By the way, I have also represented an NTO company in defense of an unauthorized practice of law complaint from the Florida Bar. We settled it by the company shutting down its lien preparation services.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Weintraub, Lee <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Dan Vega' <<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>>; Larry Leiby <<a href="mailto:Leiby@mkpalaw.com">Leiby@mkpalaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <<a href="mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com">Chernicz@herniczlegal.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">From where does the legal description come? Or the determination of the true property owner? Or the determination that the NOC’s legal description is accurate? I have prepared many liens where these were nightmare
issues and you can’t just rely on an NOC. You can rely on the NOC for NTO purposes, but not for liening property.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">For what service is the NTO company charging a fee – use of its form? The lienor can get that from the statute. The NTO company (and I have represented them) actually works up the lien, gathering info from
the lienor, then looking at title for the rest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dan Vega [<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Larry Leiby <<a href="mailto:Leiby@mkpalaw.com">Leiby@mkpalaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <<a href="mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com">Chernicz@herniczlegal.com</a>>; Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You all are blowing this way out of proportion. <span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal">The lienor is signing a form that includes data provided by the lienor. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The notice Company is not preparing the lien. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The notice Company facilitates the lienor’s preparation of the lien and records it for a fee. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In South Florida, this service is extremely valuable to the very people who are actually physically performing the work. <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Larry Leiby <<a href="mailto:Leiby@mkpalaw.com">Leiby@mkpalaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The issue is that the Florida Bar doesn’t want non lawyers giving legal advice. The landmark case on this was Florida Bar v Carmel. Where a notice company puts that they prepared the lien on the lien it is red meat for the Bar unlicensed
practice of law committee. That is why they simply put the customer’s name as preparer. A non lawyer can prepare a contract, or prepare a lien for itself. The notice companies, and anyone else, are prohibited from practicing law or giving legal advice to
others. Some notice companies refer requests for claim of lien to counsel to avoid the issue. Some notice companies simply prepare the lien for their customers, which is prohibited to the extent that the notice company makes legal decisions. Preparing a
claim of lien is fraught with legal decisions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I see the notice companies running afoul of the law, yet in many instances helping their customers. When they screw up it is going to come back to bite them. Also, any owner can claim that the lien is invalid due to being prepared by a
nonlawyer (if that is established, likely by deposition). Whether a court will invalidate such a lien is still an open question. The possibility is there.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Happy Holidays, Larry<o:p></o:p></p>
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clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a> [<a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles B. Hernicz, Esq.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Dan Vega' <<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>>; 'Weintraub, Lee' <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F3864">If the notice company informed those subs that Florida law prohibits notice companies from preparing claims of lien, they would likely reconsider relying on
the notice company for legal advice.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dan Vega [<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <<a href="mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com">Chernicz@herniczlegal.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So if a non lawyer Non lienor drafts contract, and lienor signs it, the contract is not valid???
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<p class="MsoNormal">Guys, there are many subs who rely on the notice companies to perfect their claims, especially in South Florida. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As long as lienor signs the lien, the law presumes he/she read doc and agreed to it. Fact that lienor did not fill in blanks on a lien form, is inconsequential. On the other hand, invalidating a lien based on same may be catastrophic
to the lienor, its employees and the company as a whole. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Daniel R. Vega<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In litigation. They draft their own contracts all the time.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dan Vega [<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <<a href="mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com">Chernicz@herniczlegal.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lienors are usually companies. Companies cannot rep themselves.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Daniel R. Vega<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Telephone: (305) 443-2043<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Because a lienor, like any client, can represent itself (other than in litigation of course). But if a company holds itself out as an expert to others and receives compensation for its services, it needs to
know how to do it. NTO companies don’t know how to handle complex property title issues or figure out what’s lienable and what’s non-lienable, among other issues.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dan Vega [<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <<a href="mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com">Chernicz@herniczlegal.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But if lienor prepares lien it’s ok? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Makes no sense <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Telephone: (305) 443-2043<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="3d6c270c-3956-4543-a3af-6c1545225391" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The attorney general held it does matter. Drafting of liens requires legal analyses that could screw a lienor who relies upon such analysis performed by a non-lawyer. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Dan Vega <<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does it matter who prepares the lien form so long as lienor signs it?
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<p class="MsoNormal">Daniel R. Vega<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <<a href="mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com">Chernicz@herniczlegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F3864">Notice companies in Florida regularly prepare claims of lien in violation of
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">Section 713.08(2); now they jut put the company’s name in the “Return to” block but are still in clear violation of this prohibition.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar
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</span></b><span style="font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:blue">Hernicz Legal Services, P.L.<br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:navy">1460 Wood Row Way
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">
clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a> [<a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Barry Kalmanson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 11, 2017 4:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Interesting reading attached regarding a company known as Zlien operating throughout Florida.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">After reading the opinion/agreement you may want to look at Section 713.08(2) Florida Statutes.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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