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<div>Of course it would be ideal if a lawyer always prepares the lien. </div>
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<div>The point I am trying to make is that a notice company does not actually prepare the lien. <br>
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Steve Thompson <<a href="mailto:sthompson@thompsonbrookslaw.com">sthompson@thompsonbrookslaw.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in">I think we can all agree that there is a variety of legal analysis that takes place in lien preparation such as:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Is it timely? (i.e. what exactly is last date of work or provision of materials?)<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Have conditions precedent been met (NTO – have all parties been properly served?)<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Privity issues (i.e. tenant involved? Exculpatory language in recorded landlord’s lease?)<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in">These are legal issues that need a lawyer’s analysis. I have prospective clients approach me all the time with potentially defective liens they recorded themselves. Unfortunately, they often do so after the time
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">
clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a> [<a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan Vega<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So if a non lawyer Non lienor drafts contract, and lienor signs it, the contract is not valid???
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<p class="MsoNormal">Guys, there are many subs who rely on the notice companies to perfect their claims, especially in South Florida. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As long as lienor signs the lien, the law presumes he/she read doc and agreed to it. Fact that lienor did not fill in blanks on a lien form, is inconsequential. On the other hand, invalidating a lien based on same may be catastrophic
to the lienor, its employees and the company as a whole. <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In litigation. They draft their own contracts all the time.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dan Vega [<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <<a href="mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com">Chernicz@herniczlegal.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lienors are usually companies. Companies cannot rep themselves.
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Because a lienor, like any client, can represent itself (other than in litigation of course). But if a company holds itself out as an expert to others and receives compensation for its services, it needs to
know how to do it. NTO companies don’t know how to handle complex property title issues or figure out what’s lienable and what’s non-lienable, among other issues.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dan Vega [<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <<a href="mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com">Chernicz@herniczlegal.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But if lienor prepares lien it’s ok? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Dan Vega <<a href="mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com">DVega@TEVTLaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <<a href="mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com">Chernicz@herniczlegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Facsimile: (561) 753-7082 <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">
clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a> [<a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Barry Kalmanson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 11, 2017 4:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit<o:p></o:p></p>
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