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<div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: transparent;">The answer is in Section 713.08(2) and section 713.37 as well as the opinions cited by Robert Worman.<br>
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<div>Barry Kalmanson</div>
<div>500 N Maitland Avenue</div>
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From: Robert Worman <rworman@wormanlaw.com><br>
To: Neal Sivyer <NSivyer@sbwlegal.com>; Dan Vega <DVega@tevtlaw.com>; Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.com>; Reese J. Henderson, Jr. <Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com>; CHernicz <CHernicz@Herniczlegal.com><br>
Cc: clc-discussion <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org><br>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Acknowledging Neal’s plea, maybe the attached will put this issue to rest and we can all “move on”.
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">For the past 40 years I have represented one NACM of Florida, Inc., also known as NACM-South Atlantic. My client has, on my advice, steadfastly refused to prepare liens notwithstanding the repeated request of its
members. Same goes, I understand, for the other Florida based NACM affiliate, NACM-Tampa, Inc., represented by Barry Kalmanson.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Liens prepared by anyone other than the lienor or a person under the supervision of an attorney are in violation of these opinions and the statute. I have in the past argued successfully they are unenforceable
by the courts, since to do otherwise would be for a judge to authorize and condone an illegal act.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Robert B. Worman</span></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Neal Sivyer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 28, 2016 10:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dan Vega <<a href="mailto:DVega@tevtlaw.com">DVega@tevtlaw.com</a>>; Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>>; Reese J. Henderson, Jr. <Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com>; <a href="mailto:CHernicz@Herniczlegal.com">CHernicz@Herniczlegal.com</a><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Texas Collection Agencies</div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan Vega<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 28, 2016 9:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Weintraub, Lee <<a href="mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com" target="_blank">lweintraub@bplegal.com</a>>; Reese J. Henderson, Jr. <<a href="mailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com" target="_blank">Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com</a>>;
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<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org" target="_blank">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Texas Collection Agencies</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">And a lay person employee does? </div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">Not a convincing argument at all. </div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The NTO company has no idea how to handle complex property description issues, etc. and the lienor has no idea that the NTO company has no idea. That is the whole point of unauthorized practice of law.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">Reese, if it is a bad lien it is a bad lien. Case over, you win and other side pays fees.
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<div class="MsoNormal">As to a notice company preparing a bad lien, then the lienor should not sign it. If the lienor signs it, the lienor buys it. Same result occurs if the employee prepares a bad lien and then the lienor/boss signs it.
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">A claim of lien is more than just a notice to owner that is dropped in the mail. It is recorded in the public records and places a cloud on someone’s title to real property. It exposes the owner of the property
to loss through inability to sell the property, refinance, etc. It consequently exposes the party recording the lien to potential liability for slander of title as well as filing a fraudulent lien. Preparing a claim of lien requires an ability to accurately
determine and insert a legal description to real property, accurately compile the
<b>amount</b> of the claim of lien and ensure that notice of that claim of lien is properly delivered to the owner. The statute specifically authorizes a lienor to act “pro se” to prepare and record its own claim of lien (even though, if it is an entity, it
would not be able to act “pro se” to file an action to enforce that claim of lien in court). However, that is very different from another party or entity preparing that claim of lien
<b><i>for</i></b> the lienor. That is called the practice of law.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I can tell you from personal experience that notice companies file bad liens all the time. They are not trained as attorneys. If an attorney improperly prepares a claim of lien and the client pays the price,
the attorney has malpractice coverage to compensate the client. What sort of insurance do you suppose the notice companies have for their clients?</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">Are you all saying that a secretary at a subcontractors office cannot prepare the lien even though it is signed by the president of the sub? </div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">If a notice company prepares the lien form based on info provided by the sub, and the sub president signs it, what is wrong w that? </div>
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outlawed in 713.08 in 2007, but it is not being policed or enforced.</span></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wolf, Brian<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael J. Kurzman; 'Alex Barthet'; Arnold Tritt; Willis, David; <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject:</b> [CLC-Discussion] Texas Collection Agencies</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 14pt;'>If the committee is going to address this issue, the committee should also address the larger problem of “lien notice services” offering to prepare claims of lien.</span></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael J. Kurzman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Alex Barthet'; Arnold Tritt; Willis, David; <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Texas Collection Agencies</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 14pt;">Perhaps a letter to the Florida Attorney General’s office to see if they are interested in looking into the matter?
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 14pt;">It seems to me that if you can show they are using false and misleading information, the Attorney General may be interested…</span></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alex Barthet<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Arnold Tritt; Willis, David; <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org" target="_blank">
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Arnie – I can’t argue with your logic about Grade A clients. Grade B clients help pay the bills and may be susceptible. Grade C clients, good riddance.
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;">That said, as officers of the court knowing that they are fraudulently inducing those in the construction industry to hire them with false promises, if there is something we can do, we probably should.
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><b>From:</b> Arnold Tritt [<a href="mailto:arnold.tritt@atritt.com" target="_blank">mailto:arnold.tritt@atritt.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alex Barthet <<a href="mailto:Alex@barthet.com" target="_blank">Alex@barthet.com</a>>; Willis, David <<a href="mailto:dwillis@rumberger.com" target="_blank">dwillis@rumberger.com</a>>;
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">MUCH TO DO ABOUT NOTHING. Grade A business / construction clients don’t forsake their relationship with their legal counsel and engage an out-of-state collection agency to collect on
a Claim of Lien based on a phone solicitation any more than Grade A business / construction clients engage an attorney in response to a radio spot. The Texas boys have been at it for years and your Grade A clients will always call you when they are contacted
by such folks. If your client was ever to be duped by such tactics it was not Grade A and should be dropped and referred to your competition. Just my thoughts. Arnie.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alex Barthet<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2016 8:43 AM<br>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;">David - I have tried to call on numerous occasions after they call my clients and they never call me back. Once they know a lawyer is involved, they seem to duck back into the shadows.
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2016 8:36 AM<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alex Barthet<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2016 7:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org" target="_blank">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CLC-Discussion] Texas Collection Agencies</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Good morning all. I am writing about an issue that I am seeing with increasing frequency. The purpose of this email is to (i) alert the community of this practice, (ii) learn if others are hearing the same thing
from their clients and (iii) see if folks smarter than me have any ideas how to deal with, or ideally, stop them.</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Many of our clients that record liens are receiving unsolicited calls from collection agencies out of Texas, the two most common we are seeing are Tucker Albin and Assoc. (<a href="http://tuckeralbin.net/" target="_blank">http://tuckeralbin.net/</a>)
and Milton Myers and Assoc. (<a href="http://www.mmatx.net/" target="_blank">http://www.mmatx.net/</a>). Obviously, they are getting the clients’ information by pulling the liens from the public records.</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;">The problem is that they are making blatantly false statements such as they are working with others on the project and can guaranty payment if the client signs up, or they are representing several other lienors
on the same project that are about the get paid and if the client signs up, he can get them paid now. The reason I know these statements are false is because in the last two occasions that my clients received these calls, they were the only lienors on the
projects and on both, I was already in contact with counsel for both the contractor and owner negotiating settlements.</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;">I look forward to hearing from the group.</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Regards,</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Alex Barthet</div>
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