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<div><font color="#1F497D">I totally agree with Chuck. As a “lay” member of the BCAI Board, and chair of the board’s PCP, we license and discipline plan reviewers, who are not required to be professional engineers.</font></div>
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<b>From:</b> clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [<a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles B. Hernicz, Esq<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Jeff Price'; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Rejection of PE drawings by non-PE plans examiner</div>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Jeff, I like the creativity, but don’t think this argument will fly. The key language in this rule is “whenever they are performing engineering as that term is defined in Section 471.005(7),
F.S.” Plan reviewers in the building department are not “performing engineering” as defined in that section, but, rather, a permit review function under §553.79, Fla. Stat.. </span></font></div>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Chuck</span></font></div>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" color="navy">Charles B. Hernicz, Esq.<br>
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</b></span></font><font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="blue">Hernicz Legal Services, P.L.<br>
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<div><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;">_____________________________________________<br>
<b>From:</b> clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [<a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff Price<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CLC-Discussion] Rejection of PE drawings by non-PE plans examiner</span></font></div>
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<div align="left" style="text-align:justify;margin-bottom:12pt;"><font color="#1F497D">In reading and reviewing the FAC concerning professional engineers and their duties, I came across 61G15-26, Supervision Standards “<font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10pt;">61G15-26.001;
Standards for Supervision of Governmental Employees by Professional Engineers”</span></font><font color="black"> </font></font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:justify;margin-bottom:12pt;"><a href="https://www.flrules.org/gateway/ChapterHome.asp?Chapter=61G15-26"><font size="2" color="blue"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><u>https://www.flrules.org/gateway/ChapterHome.asp?Chapter=61G15-26</u></span></font></a></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:justify;margin-bottom:12pt;"><font color="#365F91">The key wording is, <i>“</i><i>This rule shall prohibit non-professional employees governed by this rule from overriding, or approving, accepting or rejecting, or modifying
engineering documents prepared by professional engineers </i><span style="background-color:yellow;"><i>unless such actions are concurred in by a professional engineer in responsible charge of the employee and that said professional engineer takes full responsibility
for such a decision</i></span><i>.</i>” (and yes, there are definitional standards in the rule, and exceptions, but none I believe apply here).</font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:justify;margin-bottom:12pt;"><font color="#365F91">So, I have a plans examiner (governmental employee), who is not a PE and has no training as a PE, rejecting (or for argument’s sake approving what is later found to be bad)
signed, sealed and stamped construction drawings created by a FL PE.</font></div>
<div><font color="#365F91">Shouldn’t I be able to request and discover the “concurrence” (however that was documented or communicated) that must have accompanied the plans examiner’s decision? Doesn’t the city/county have to produce the “professional engineer”
who took (or takes) “full responsibility” for the plans examiner’s decision? And if there was no “engineering supervision,” what is the result? </font></div>
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<div><font color="#244061">Jeffrey L. Price, Esq.<br>
Florida Bar Board Certified - Construction Law <br>
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