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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>A fair fee is whatever your client negotiates with the architectural firm. By selecting the architectural firm first (before getting competitive proposals and price quotes from other design firms), your client sole sourced the architectural firm at whatever fee the architects think they can get for their services.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>As background information…I worked as a Project Engineer in Pembroke Pines in the mid 1990’s designing subdivisions and apartment complexes when Pembroke Pines was the fastest growing city in the United States. Land developers hired architects to create the site plan (layout of the entire subdivision, lot divisions, road layout, housepad locations, etc, which was a lot of work. This included creating the master CAD (Computer Aided Drafting) file for the site. Land developers hired engineers to perform the drainage design, layout water lines, sewer lines, paving and grading, permitting, etc. In my opinion, the engineers scope of services were a lot easier than the architects. The engineer’s designs were super-imposed upon the architect’s layout design with CAD files. The architects did a disproportionate amount of work, but the architects’ fee was about half of the engineers’ fee. It was a reflection of an informed consumer (land developer) and the market place: more people wanted to study architecture (creative design) than engineering (number crunching). Good luck!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>George Truitt<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2013 5:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'hroberts@carltonfields.com'; 'clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] design services<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>My experience is that the design fee runs between 3% and 7% of the constrction cost. CA is hourly - $200/hr or less - most of which will be done by a junior level architect or exam eligible. </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>: Roberts, Hardy L. [<a href="mailto:hroberts@carltonfields.com">mailto:hroberts@carltonfields.com</a>] <br><b>Sent</b>: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 04:11 PM<br><b>To</b>: CLC Discussion (<a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>) <<a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>> <br><b>Subject</b>: [CLC-Discussion] design services <br></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>We seem to be having some listserv issues so I am forwarding the following on behalf of Gary Brown.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Gary L. Brown <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 15, 2013 4:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org'<br><b>Subject:</b> Pardon the interruption</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hello all. I need your collective opinions on something. A firm client is in the process of hiring an architect. The client has already selected the architect, and is in the process of negotiating the contract, and wants feedback on the proposed fee. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The project consists of a large (over 30 acres) site and includes 2 phases. One will include a new office building over 300,000 s.f. and approximately 5,000 s.f. of a retail outlet. The other will include site planning only for approximately 150,000 s.f. The architect will provide architectural, interior design, consulting and site planning for the project. Design and documentation services are <u>not</u> included in the 2<sup>nd</sup> phase but the 1<sup>st</sup> phase will include everything from conceptual design through construction documents and then construction administration. The whole project from start to finish, design through construction, will take over 2 years.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I’m looking for a rough estimate for what the total fee should be or how it should be calculated. Is there a per square foot average that is “industry<span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>�</span> standard for design services? What is the going hourly rate for on-site construction administration services? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><u>Email your comments to <a href="mailto:gbrown@wsh-law.com">gbrown@wsh-law.com</a>.</u><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Any assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Gary<o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='margin-bottom:15.0pt;line-height:16.5pt'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#AF6019'>Gary L. 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