<html><body><span style="font-family:Arial; color:#000000; font-size:12pt;"><div>Doesn't it sometimes take many months or longer to lose one's license in a proceeding before the CILB. I have had cases where it took six months to a year to defend a CILB complaint. </div><div><br></div><div>Wouldn't it be relevant to ask the following question: What was within the knowledge of the contractor at the time the contractor took on the new job? </div><div><br></div><div><u>Plaintiff's argument:</u> The licensee knew when he contracted for the job that he was being prosecuted by the CILB for something that was clearly going to result in discipline that would likely prevent him from finishing the job.<span style="-webkit-text-stroke-width:0;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);color:rgb(0, 0, 0);display:inline !important;float:none;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:auto;text-align:start;text-indent:0;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:auto;word-spacing:0" mce_style="-webkit-text-stroke-width:0;background-color:#ffffff;color:#000000;display:inline !important;float:none;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:auto;text-align:start;text-indent:0;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:auto;word-spacing:0"> If the licensee loses his license, at the very least I would argue that disciplinary action resulting in loss of license was foreseeable. </span></div><div><br></div><div><u>Defense argument:</u> Plenty of contractors get hit with CILB complaints that are entirely without merit. If all of my contractors stopped taking on work simply because some homeowner files a baseless complaint, I would have a lot of clients out of business. </div><div><br></div><div> I guess it would depend on the facts of the original CILB complaint.</div><div></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><strong>Michael Romm</strong></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><strong>Michael R. 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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license<br>
From: Aaron Haak <<a href="mailto:ahaak@knott-law.com">ahaak@knott-law.com</a>><br>
Date: Fri, June 28, 2013 6:29 am<br>
To: "Roberts, Hardy L." <<a href="mailto:hroberts@carltonfields.com">hroberts@carltonfields.com</a>><br>
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<div>Anyone have specific thought or citation to a situation where a contractor held a license at time of contracting but during the course of project through completion and lien filing license was suspended. Statue talks of loss of rights to enforce if unlicensed at time of entering contract, but public policy would seem to dictate that intent is for license to be held and active through performance. <br> <br> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;text-align: -webkit-auto; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "> <font style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Aaron A. 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If you wish to engage this firm to provide formal written advice as to federal or state tax issues, please contact the sender.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;text-align: -webkit-auto; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "> <span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;text-align: -webkit-auto; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "> <font style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </font></div> </div> <div><br> On Jun 27, 2013, at 9:24 PM, "Roberts, Hardy L." <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:hroberts@carltonfields.com">hroberts@carltonfields.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" style="border-left: blue 2px solid; margin-left: 8px; padding-left: 8px;"> <div><span>Unlicensed contracting is a crime. I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering.</span><br> <span></span><br> <span>On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:dick@burt-burt.com">dick@burt-burt.com</a><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:dick@burt-burt.com">mailto:dick@burt-burt.com</a>>> wrote:</span><br> <span></span><br> <span>The contractor is suing in tort, not contract.</span><br> <span></span><br> <span>Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury. Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred.</span><br> <span></span><br> <span>The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner’s relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an ‘employee’ or an ‘independent contractor’?</span><br> <span></span><br> <span></span><br> <span>From: <a target="_blank" href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>> [<a target="_blank" href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>] On Behalf Of Sean A. Mickley</span><br> <span>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:11 PM</span><br> <span>To: 'Sakwa, Stuart H.'; <a target="_blank" href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org"> clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>></span><br> <span>Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license</span><br> <span></span><br> <span>Dovetailing off Mr. Sakwa’s post…</span><br> <span></span><br> <span>Homeowner hires an unlicensed contractor/handyman to perform remedial work, including roofing repair work. The unlicensed contractor/handyman does not have safety fall protection while performing the roofing repair work, falls off the Homeowner’s roof, lands on his feet and breaks his foot. The unlicensed contractor/handyman now sues the Homeowner for negligence asserting, among other things, that the Homeowner owed the unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and provide safety fall protection.</span><br> <span></span><br> <span>Questions:</span><br> <span></span><br> <span></span><br> <span>1. Is such a negligence claim arguably barred because he is an unlicensed contractor? If not, can his failure to be licensed under ch. 489, F.S. serve as evidence of negligence for purposes of comparative negligence?</span><br> <span></span><br> <span>2. As a threshold issue, does a Homeowner owe an unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and/or provide fall protection?</span><br> <span></span><br> <span>Any input would be appreciated.</span><br> <span></span><br> <span>Thanks.</span><br> <span></span><br> <span></span><br> <span><image001.jpg></span><br> <span></span><br> <span>Sean A. Mickley, Esq.</span><br> <span></span><br> <span></span><br> <span>Gould Cooksey Fennell</span><br> <span></span><br> <span>979 Beachland Boulevard</span><br> <span></span><br> <span>Vero Beach, FL 32963</span><br> <span></span><br> <span>Telephone 772-231-1100 Fax 772-231-2020</span><br> <span></span><br> <span><a target="_blank" href="mailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com">smickley@gouldcooksey.com</a><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com">mailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com</a>></span><br> <span></span><br> <span>The information contained in this transmission is attorney privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, do not read it. 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