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That should not be considered the UPL. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>In order to address the other concerns, they could establish a 3 party relationship where the Owner directly hires the attorney for proposes of the A-C privilege, but the engineering firm pays the attorney’s fees- similar to insured/insurer relationship. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#00009C'>Stuart H Sakwa</span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#00009C'> </span><span 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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Serving Clients for 120 Years <br></span></u></i></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Offices in Illinois, Florida, and Wisconsin</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Larry Leiby<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> Richard A. Burt; Construction Law Committee (clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org)<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CLC-Discussion] Engineer furnishing legal services<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There used to be a segment on Saturday Night Live called “Bad Idea Jeans.’ That fits your scenario.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If you check with the Bar UPL committee you will find that this won’t work.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Your other concerns are also valid.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold","sans-serif";color:#215868'>Larry R. Leiby, Esq.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Malka & Kravitz, P.A. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Phone: 954-514-0984<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fax: 954-514-0985 e-mail: <a href="mailto:leiby@mkpalaw.com">leiby@mkpalaw.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Board Certified in Construction Law<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fla. Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Member, Leiby Alexander Brandt ADR Group, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Member, JAMS Global Engineering and Construction Panel <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=112 height=94 id="Picture_x0020_0" src="cid:image004.jpg@01CE36C5.8F685640" alt="Description: JAMSadr.com.jpg"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]">[mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard A. Burt<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> Construction Law Committee (<a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>)<br><b>Subject:</b> [CLC-Discussion] Engineer furnishing legal services<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>I represent an engineering firm which is a consultant to a water authority (“owner”). The authority wants the engineering firm to (i) include legal services (contract drafting and review) in its scope of work (ii) hire an owner-designated attorney as a subconsultant to perform these services. [I have asked why the owner can not look to the owner’s current attorney or hire its designated attorney directly to perform these services; apparently there are political reasons for not doing so.] It seems to me that the engineering firm will have problems including legal services in its scope of work even though the legal services are to be performed by an attorney under contract as a subconsultant to the firm. Some possible problems:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='color:windowtext;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>The engineer’s professional liability insurance covers engineering malpractice, not legal malpractice. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:windowtext;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>The Board of Engineering and/or the Florida Bar may be critical of an engineer who contracts to furnish legal services. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:windowtext;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>There may be attorney-client communications problems or a possible conflict of interest for the attorney.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Have you seen this scenario before? What do you think?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Your input will be much appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Dick Burt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Richard A. 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