[CLC-Discussion] Quick Question Regarding F.S. 713.18
Barry Kalmanson
bkpa1 at aol.com
Thu Aug 15 14:21:37 PDT 2019
There is NO ambiguity. I previously prevailed for a roofing supplier on this same issue when a Notice to Owner was mailed on the 45th day and subsequently refused by the homeowner. Thereafter it was appealed to the 5DCA and resulted in a PCA. Sincerely, Barry Kalmanson500 N Maitland AvenueSuite 305 Maitland, Fl. 32751407-645-4500 x 215 www.barrykalmanson.com -----Original Message-----
From: Reese J. Henderson, Jr. <Reese.Henderson at gray-robinson.com>
To: Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1 at aol.com>; jack at wclfirm.com <jack at wclfirm.com>; ACL at floridahardhatlaw.com <ACL at floridahardhatlaw.com>; clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org>
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Subject: RE: [CLC-Discussion] Quick Question Regarding F.S. 713.18
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Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:17 AM
To: jack at wclfirm.com; ACL at floridahardhatlaw.com; clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Quick Question Regarding F.S. 713.18 This message originated outside of GrayRobinson. Jack That is INCORRECT as you are combining subsections 2& 3 that stand alone. Sincerely, Barry Kalmanson 500 N Maitland Avenue Suite 305 Maitland, Fl. 32751 407-645-4500 x 215 www.barrykalmanson.com
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From: jack <jack at wclfirm.com>
To: 'Adam C. Linkhorst' <ACL at floridahardhatlaw.com>; clc-discussion <clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Sent: Thu, Aug 15, 2019 9:50 am
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Quick Question Regarding F.S. 713.18 Adam, For the“refused,” “moved, not forwardable,” or “unclaimed” exception to the delivery requirement to apply the NTO had to be mailed within 40 days of the start date and the return has to be “through no fault of the person serving the item”. You would have to make sure that these were satisfied. Thank you, Jack
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From:clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org>On Behalf Of Adam C. Linkhorst
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 4:26 PM
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Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Quick Question Regarding F.S. 713.18 Quick question regarding service under F.S. 713.18: Last week we had a judge rule on summary judgment that a Notice to Owner which was mailed via certified mail to the address listed in the Notice of Commencement and which was returned as “undeliverable” was ineffective and that the subcontractor was then required to try to either obtain personal service or post the NTO on site for there to be effective service. Based upon a plain reading of the statute I think the judge erred, but there is a dearth of cases on this issue. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Adam Adam C. Linkhorst, Esq. Linkhorst & Hockin, P.A. 4495 Military Trail, Suite 106 Jupiter, FL 33458 Email: acl at FloridaHardhatLaw.com Tel. 561.626.8880 / Cell. 954.562.9199 Fax. 561.626.8885 Website: www.Floridahardhatlaw.com Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law AV®Preeminent Peer Review Rated by Martindale-Hubbell _______________________________________________
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