[CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Tue Dec 12 07:15:59 PST 2017

Second case attached to my last email was a mistake.  See this one dealing with NTO preparation being authorized.

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From: Robert Worman
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:58 AM
To: 'Weintraub, Lee' <lweintraub at bplegal.com>; Dan Vega <DVega at TEVTLaw.com>
Cc: clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: RE: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Why are we questioning this now. We also had a series of emails on this topic about 2 years ago.

The matter seems well settled by the 2 cases attached.  If anything, we, as a Bar committee, should be doing everything within our power to protect our clients from poorly prepared layperson drafted construction liens.  I  have one client who just lost out on 3 liens prepared by a Jacksonville NTO company that was clueless on how to research and prepare a construction lien.

Regards,

Robert B. Worman
Worman & Sheffler, P.A.
2707 West Fairbanks Avenue
Suite 200
Winter Park, FL 32789
407 843-5353
rworman at wormanlaw.com<mailto:rworman at wormanlaw.com>
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From: clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Weintraub, Lee
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:29 AM
To: Dan Vega <DVega at TEVTLaw.com<mailto:DVega at TEVTLaw.com>>
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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Regardless, that is the law.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega at TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

So if a non lawyer Non lienor drafts contract, and lienor signs it, the contract is not valid???

Guys, there are many subs who rely on the notice companies to perfect their claims, especially in South Florida.

As long as lienor signs the lien, the law presumes he/she read doc and agreed to it.  Fact that lienor did not fill in blanks on a lien form, is inconsequential.   On the other hand, invalidating a lien based on same may be catastrophic to the lienor, its employees and the company as a whole.

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Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega at tevtlaw.com<mailto:dvega at tevtlaw.com>

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub at bplegal.com<mailto:lweintraub at bplegal.com>> wrote:
In litigation.  They draft their own contracts all the time.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega at TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Lienors are usually companies.  Companies cannot rep themselves.

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Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega at tevtlaw.com<mailto:dvega at tevtlaw.com>

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub at bplegal.com<mailto:lweintraub at bplegal.com>> wrote:
Because a lienor, like any client, can represent itself (other than in litigation of course).  But if a company holds itself out as an expert to others and receives compensation for its services, it needs to know how to do it.  NTO companies don’t know how to handle complex property title issues or figure out what’s lienable and what’s non-lienable, among other issues.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega at TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:48 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub at bplegal.com<mailto:lweintraub at bplegal.com>>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz at herniczlegal.com<mailto:Chernicz at herniczlegal.com>>; clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

But if lienor prepares lien it’s ok?

Makes no sense
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Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega at tevtlaw.com<mailto:dvega at tevtlaw.com>

On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub at bplegal.com<mailto:lweintraub at bplegal.com>> wrote:

The attorney general held it does matter. Drafting of liens requires legal analyses that could screw a lienor who relies upon such analysis performed by a non-lawyer.
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Dan Vega <DVega at TEVTLaw.com<mailto:DVega at TEVTLaw.com>> wrote:
Does it matter who prepares the lien form so long as lienor signs it?

The notice companies provide a valuable service to many small companies who otherwise would likely blow their lien rights.

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Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega at tevtlaw.com<mailto:dvega at tevtlaw.com>

On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz at herniczlegal.com<mailto:Chernicz at herniczlegal.com>> wrote:
Notice companies in Florida regularly prepare claims of lien in violation of Section 713.08(2); now they jut put the company’s name in the “Return to” block but are still in clear violation of this prohibition.

Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar
Hernicz Legal Services, P.L.
1460 Wood Row Way
Wellington, FL 33414
Telephone: (561) 753-7511
Facsimile: (561) 753-7082
Chernicz at HerniczLegal.com

From: clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Barry Kalmanson
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Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Interesting reading attached regarding a company known as Zlien operating throughout Florida.

After reading the opinion/agreement you may want to look at Section 713.08(2) Florida Statutes.

Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson
500 N Maitland Avenue
Suite 305
Maitland, Fl. 32751
407-645-4500 x 215

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