[CLC-Discussion] ***SPAM*** Re: Lien Right?:
leslie.tomczak at akerman.com
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Thu Jan 8 07:41:09 PST 2015
Thanks all!
Leslie Tomczak
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From: George R. Truitt [mailto:George.Truitt at csklegal.com]
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To: Fred Dudley; Tomczak, Leslie Miller (Ptnr-Ftl)
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Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?:
You might Try Municode. One stop shop for county and city ordinances. That is where we find the local licensing requirements.
https://www.municode.com/library/fl
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From: Fred Dudley [mailto:dudley at mylicenselaw.com]
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Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?:
Miami-Dade County licensing ordinance is 10, and easily found on line; it is also very extensive, and without the exemptions set for in s. 489.103, F.S. I don’t recall ever researching a comparable Broward County licensing ordinance, but I believe they also have an extensive one.
Fred R. Dudley, Partner
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Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L.
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3522 Thomasville Road
Tallahassee, Florida 32308
Cell: (850) 294-3471
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Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?:
Miami-Dade and Broward, for starters.
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Subject: Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?:
Which jurisdiction?
> On Jan 8, 2015, at 10:17 AM, "leslie.tomczak at akerman.com" <leslie.tomczak at akerman.com> wrote:
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> On this topic, do any of you know of a good resource by which we can determine what the various licensing requirements are in certain local jurisdictions? I have a client whose scope of work does not appear to require a state license, but may require local licensure.
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> Leslie Tomczak
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> Fred Dudley
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:03 AM
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> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?:
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> We may be on separate issues, Dan; I'm referring to any local licensing requirements, NOT to any code requirements. As to local licensing, if required and not obtained I believe that raises that prospect that the contact is VOID for violation of public policy (having nothing to do with s. 489.128); without a valid contract, there is NO lien.
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> Fred R. Dudley, Partner
> Board Certified Construction Lawyer
> Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L.
> SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301
> 3522 Thomasville Road
> Tallahassee, Florida 32308
> Cell: (850) 294-3471
> Direct: (850)692-6368
> dudley at mylicenselaw.com
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> Subject: RE: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?:
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> Why would you conclude that? If the local code does not bar enforcement of the contract, then the owner would have no standing to enforce the code.
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> Daniel R. Vega, Esq.
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> Fred Dudley
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> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?:
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> BUT if a local license is required for such work, the failure be licensed may still be a defense to a lien.
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> Fred R. Dudley, Partner
> Board Certified Construction Lawyer
> Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L.
> SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301
> 3522 Thomasville Road
> Tallahassee, Florida 32308
> Cell: (850) 294-3471
> Direct: (850)692-6368
> dudley at mylicenselaw.com
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> From: Gibbons, Michael [mailto:Michael.Gibbons at lowndes-law.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:06 AM
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> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?:
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> This has always been my understanding and practice. 489.128 has no application unless scope of work falls under the defined scopes of "contractor" under definitions of Ch. 489. You won't find painting or flooring installation under definition of contractor at 489.
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>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 7:58 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub at bplegal.com> wrote:
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>> 713.02, which deprives unlicensed contractors of liens, references 489.128, which only requires a license "required by this part." "This part" only requires state licenses. I don't think a local license requirement is relevant to the analysis of whether one can lien.
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>> Fred Dudley
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>> To: Gibbons, Michael; Sean A. Mickley
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>> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?:
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>> I believe that either a state OR local license is required for such improvements, subject to the $1,000 "handyman" exemption found in s. 489.103(9); however, since the contract price exceeds this amount, that exemption is not applicable.
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>> I suggest that the local licensing requirements be considered.
>>
>> Fred R. Dudley, Partner
>> Board Certified Construction Lawyer
>> Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L.
>> SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301
>> 3522 Thomasville Road
>> Tallahassee, Florida 32308
>> Cell: (850) 294-3471
>> Direct: (850)692-6368
>> dudley at mylicenselaw.com
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of
>> Gibbons, Michael
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:00 PM
>> To: Sean A. Mickley
>> Cc: clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org
>> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?:
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>> If the scope of work doesn't require a state license but the handyman is doing work improving the property (e.g. Painting, carpet or tile install) the work would be lienable regardless of non-state licensure under Ch. 489.
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Sean A. Mickley <smickley at gouldcooksey.com> wrote:
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>>> Does a handyman performing repairs and improvements in excess of $2,500 which do not require a license have lien rights on the property?
>>>
>>> I understand that florida law requires a contractor be licensed in order to lien property, but it does not require a license for material men or laborers to lien the property. Arguably, the handyman is a hybrid between the two. I would appreciate any insight on this issue.
>>>
>>> My initial conclusion is that the handyman does not have lien rights but I'd like to gather your collective thoughts.
>>>
>>> Sean A. Mickley, Esq.
>>> Gould Cooksey Fennell, P.A.
>>> 979 Beachland Blvd.
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32963
>>> 772-231-1100
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