[CLC-Discussion] 2011 mortgage foreclosure/notice of lis pendens v. 2013 construction lien

[Ray]

If there was an express representation/affirmative deception, which is unlikely, a fraud claim could work as there is no duty to investigate the representation under those circumstances. It is doubtful the owner affirmatively represented that there was no foreclosure action pending. It just wouldn't come up in normal conversation.

Ray Masciarella 

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On Jul 5, 2014, at 11:59 AM, Randall Gilbert <rgilbert at theconstructionlawyers.com> wrote:

> Agreed
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> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] 2011 mortgage foreclosure/notice of lis pendens v. 2013 construction lien
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> Facially, it appears that Your lien is wiped out and I see no way for a fraud claim against the client as the mortgage foreclosure complaint is of public record. Moreover, as your client does not appear to have timely moved to intervene, in the underlying mortgage foreclosure action, (assuming your client was not added as a party defendant in the action) for the purpose of raising your contemplated equitable lien claim, etc... it appears that your client would have no recourse as to purchaser at foreclosure sale. 
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> On Jul 5, 2014, at 8:42 AM, "Charles B. Hernicz, Esq" <CHernicz at Herniczlegal.com> wrote:
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>> Don’t know how a fraud claim could be maintained since the mortgage action was a matter of public record—that’s why the LP is recorded in the public records, to put other potential claimants on notice.  All persons providing labor or materials to improve the property are put on constructive notice that a mortgage foreclosure is pending.
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>> Charles B. Hernicz, Esq.
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>> From: clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Fred Dudley
>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 2:51 PM
>> To: Andrea Fair; <clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org>
>> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] 2011 mortgage foreclosure/notice of lis pendens v. 2013 construction lien
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>> Maybe a civil thief, but a great example of (1) filing early and (2) ordering a title report (at least an “O and E” before recording a lien (or thereafter if not enough time before).
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>> Fred R. Dudley, Partner
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>> dudley at mylicenselaw.com
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>> From: clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Andrea Fair
>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 1:10 PM
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>> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] 2011 mortgage foreclosure/notice of lis pendens v. 2013 construction lien
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>> I have an issue involving my client’s construction lien and mortgage foreclosure suit that was filed years before my client was even hired.  Here is the chronology of events:
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>> 3/30/11 --- mortgage foreclosure filed
>> 4/11/11 --- notice of lis pendens recorded for above suit
>> 6/3/13 --- owners sign contract with my client
>> 8/29/13 --- my client’s construction lien is recorded
>> 11/13/13 --- my client’s lawsuit is filed and notice of lis pendens recorded
>> 1/22/14 --- Final Judgment entered in mortgage foreclosure case
>> 3/17/14 --- public sale in mortgage foreclosure case
>>  
>> I realize that the notice of lis pendens filed in the mortgage foreclosure case (to quote Leiby) “cuts off the rights of any person claiming any interest or lien in the property by virtue of a claim recorded after the recording of the notice of lis pendens, except for any holder of a lien who intervenes within 30 days of the recording of the notice of lis pendens.”  My client could have discovered the notice of lis pendens filed in the mortgage foreclosure case because it’s a matter of public record but we all know that our clients never look for such things.&
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