[CLC-Discussion] Expert Issue

Mon Feb 10 14:06:08 PST 2014

Excellent stuff.  Humor on a Monday is a good thing.

Brian W. Bennett 
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[mailto:clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Bruce
Partington
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 3:07 PM
To: Jeff Price; George Elias, Jr.; Mark Young; Rouselle "Bo". Sutton
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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Expert Issue

To invoke Cary Wright's frequent use of video clips:  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME 

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[mailto:clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Jeff
Price
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 1:55 PM
To: 'George Elias, Jr.'; 'Mark Young'; 'Rouselle "Bo". Sutton III';
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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Expert Issue

Mr. Young is absolutely right in his analysis and has opened my eyes to
the smarmy underbelly of the industry I didn't know existed.

I am shocked, shocked I tell you that anyone involved in the
construction industry would do such a thing as shop a bid or even an
expert! What is this world coming to? The only reason we ever hire
experts is because of their competency and our desire to obtain the
truth - no matter how that might affect our client, either factually or
financially! 

Our job as representatives for our clients and officer of the court
clearly takes a back seat to the ethical demands of the National Society
of Professional Engineers (NSPE). Thank the Lord there are organizations
like that which can keep us on track. 

I can't tell you the number of times I have been faced with an expert on
the opposing side who agrees totally with my expert's conclusions
(seriously, I can't tell you). What I can say is that whenever I have a
prospective client who has the impudence to even ask what my rates are,
I toss the bounder from my office immediately. There is nothing so crass
as discussing how much money something - anything - may be. 

Nope! Full retail with no questions asked, that's my motto. Good for the
engineer for reminding all of us just how far we have fallen in our
ethical duty to our clients. And in the future, when the Court questions
the rates and fees of the expert I hire at the fees and costs hearing, I
will take out this entire email string and show the Judge that the Court
has no right whatsoever to question the numbers and that they should
take it up with the NSPE! That should settle the matter!

Jeffrey L. Price

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George Elias, Jr.
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 2:11 PM
To: Mark Young; 'Rouselle "Bo". Sutton III';
clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Expert Issue

I think Mark's analysis is right on.

George Elias, Jr.

From: Mark Young <myoung at younglaw.info>
To: "'Rouselle "Bo". Sutton III'" <rsutton at raileyharding.com>; 
clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org 
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Expert Issue

I don't think the request was unreasonable, but there are two sides to
every story.  The original email to the expert apparently was
interpreted as shopping around for prices (wasting the expert's time),
rather than an intent to hire the expert.  I'm not saying the expert is
right, but just that he has a different view based on his experiences.
The expert may have had a recent problem with a law firm inquiring about
the rate sheet, then using the rate sheet to shop around for a lower
cost expert.   Or using competitor's rates to attempt to haggle over his
rates.  

There are some in the engineering community that believe engineers
should be selected solely on competence before any discussion of price.
Around 1970, the National Society of Professional Engineers created an
ethical rule prohibiting engineers from discussion price until after the
engineer was selected based on qualifications (prohibition for competing
on price); engineers were subject to sanction for non-compliance.  The
NSPE's rule was revised after the USDOJ challenged the rule under
antitrust laws.  

If you are in a bind due to time constraints or really wish to use Mr.
Jones, you might send an apologetic email (or phone call) to Mr. Jones
something like, "I apologize if my prior email offended you.  You have a
good reputation for high competence in ______ field and we wish to hire
you as an expert, but I need to be able to inform my client how much you
will cost before I can hire your firm."  

Good luck,

Mark Young

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Hammond
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:30 AM
To: Rouselle "Bo". Sutton III; 'clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org'
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Expert Issue

Bizarre.

Denise Hammond, Esq.

Wright, Fulford, Moorhead & Brown, P.A.

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Rouselle "Bo". Sutton III
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:02 AM
To: 'clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org'
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Expert Issue

Fellow Construction Attorneys, 

I wish I had known this before: so that you do not make the same mistake
I did and wind up in my predicament (unable to retain your chosen
expert), when attempting to retain John Jones of Dart Engineering, LLC
as an expert, do not request his rate sheet. Unfortunately, because of
this slip-up, I must begin the process of locating a qualified expert
for my client, anew. 

Rouselle "Bo" Sutton, III

Board Certified in Construction Law 

Railey Harding & Allen, P.A. - Partner

15 North Eola Drive

Orlando, Florida 32801

Phone (407) 648-9119

Fax (407) 648-8049

rsutton at raileyharding.com

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From: John Jones [mailto:jjones at dartengineering.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 8:10 PM
To: Rouselle "Bo". Sutton III
Cc: 'redacted'
Subject: RE: [Redacted]

I'm not interested in working for a firm that selects it experts based
on price.  Get someone else.

John A. Jones, PE, CBO

President

Dart Engineering, LLC

407-831-1200

http://www.dartengineering.com/

From: Rouselle "Bo". Sutton III [mailto:rsutton at raileyharding.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 4:11 PM
To: 'John Jones'
Subject: RE: [Redacted]

John, 

I have approval to retain a [redacted] expert. Can you send me your rate
sheet, so that I can get you approved as a candidate?

Rouselle "Bo" Sutton, III

Board Certified in Construction Law 

Railey Harding & Allen, P.A. - Partner

15 North Eola Drive

Orlando, Florida 32801

Phone (407) 648-9119

Fax (407) 648-8049

rsutton at raileyharding.com

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From: John Jones [mailto:jjones at dartengineering.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:22 AM
To: Rouselle "Bo". Sutton III
Subject: RE: [Redacted]

My CV is attached FYI.  

John A. Jones, PE, CBO

President

Dart Engineering, LLC

407-831-1200

http://www.dartengineering.com/

From: Rouselle "Bo". Sutton III [mailto:rsutton at raileyharding.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:53 AM
To: 'redacted'; 'John Jones'
Subject: RE: [Redacted]

John, 

You and I have been in two cases together. The first was [redacted]. I
represented the building owner. I think your client was [redacted]. The
second was [redacted]; your client was [redacted]. I represented
[redacted]. 

While I don't currently have the authority to retain any additional
experts in a case I have in [redacted], I am exploring potential
[redacted] experts. We anticipate hiring a [redacted] expert, and your
name came up as a candidate. 

Rouselle "Bo" Sutton, III

Board Certified in Construction Law 

Railey Harding & Allen, P.A. - Partner

15 North Eola Drive

Orlando, Florida 32801

Phone (407) 648-9119

Fax (407) 648-8049

rsutton at raileyharding.com

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